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now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> i would not try to pronounce those names on television again. thank you, steve. well, president obama was asked tonight if he has the power to issue work visas to people who are in this country illegally. let's see if you can figure out what his answer means. >> i never have a green light. >> the traffic light is broken. >> dysfunction in congress. >> giving you a green light to push the limits of executive power. >> i never have a green light. >> the president is leading towards that. >> they are encouraging him. >> the crisis on the border is going to continue until the president acts. >> that's what they're suing him for.
>> they've left town. >> until that happens, i'm going to have to make choices. >> cute way of saying, yes. >> when a president exceeds his authority, then we do have what's called impeachment. >> there are some things we can't do. >> they've left town. >> when it comes to immigration. >> we can't be the party of hostility. >> all this talk of a kinder, gentler gop. >> we would like to have it both ways. >> rand paul has been arguing for a more inclusive gop. >> we can win again if we are a more welcoming party. tonight, at a press conference at the conclusion of the u.s.-africa summit in washington, president obama was asked if he believes it is within his presidential power to grant work permits to people who are in this country illegally.
the president then used 130 words in what amounted to a simple refusal to answer the question. here is that exchange. >> you have the power to grant work permits to those who are here illegally, as some of your supporters have suggested? >> what i certainly recognize with respect to immigration reform, and i said this in the past, is that we have a broken system. it's underresourced. and we've got to make choices in terms of how we allocate personnel and resources. so if i'm going to, for example, send more immigration judges down to the border to process some of these unaccompanied children that have arrived at the border, then that's coming from someplace else. and we're going to have to prioritize. that's well within our authorities and prosecutorial discretion. my preference would be an actual comprehensive immigration law,
and we already have a bipartisan law that would solve a whole bunch of these problems. until that happens, i'm going to have to make choices. that's what i was elected to do. >> the president's refusal to answer that question came after vice president biden said this earlier today. >> we're trying to figure out, and it's hard, is that how can we use the multiple assets absent the congressional support and the real money we need to do the kinds of things we need, because they've left town. and they left town a long time ago, instead of engaging in this. >> in iowa today where rand paul continues to warm up for a presidential campaign, he said this about president obama contemplating executive action on immigration. >> it sounds more like he's going to give royal edicts. that creates a whole host of unintended consequences. right now you have 50,000 kids
at the border. they have come across in plain sight and said hey, we're here. why did you come? the president said we were welcome. >> joining me now, msnbc's krystal ball and ari melber. maria, you are our immigration law expert here tonight. did you hear something in that answer that president obama gave that i couldn't about what he means in terms of executive action here? >> well, i really wish the president had owned it, because he's on such solid legal footing. the president has broad authority to use what he calls prosecutorial discretion, the limited resources that any law enforcement agency can decide what it will prioritize, how it will use its resources and for what public purpose. so the president, the same way that he authorized --
>> but let me just step in here. that's what i didn't understand. i understand when he says that thing about, you know, we get to decide what resources we use, if we move judges down to the border. but none of that is relevant to work permits. those judges down at the border aren't handing out work permits. work permits are not a prosecutorial matter. so i don't know why he was using prosecutorial and law enforcement language when it comes to work permits. >> yeah, so the reason that it's a law enforcement issue, lawrence, is that it arrives from the first piece the administration would be doing. this is what they did in 201 with respect to dreamers. first, it's saying that young immigrants in 2012 were not a priority for deportation. so that's why it's law enforcement. in addition to saying that, let's say parents or workers or individual with long-term ties to the united states today will not be deported.
that's the priority issue. secondly, under current immigration regulations, the president or department -- >> krystal ball, i wish the president had been as clear as she was. he clearly did not want to be. he was not politically ready to say that's what he's thinking, if that is what he's thinking. so what is the rollout process here? >> i think right now, as you're pointing out, he didn't want to get into a technical legal back and forth, because that would sort of give away -- >> it's not technically legal to say yes. i could have followed that. >> sure. but i don't think he wanted to even give that, because he didn't want to make it appear that's what he's planning, even if that is what he is planning. he's not clearly ready to go there yet.
so he tried to talk about what he can do with the current border crisis, distract from the issue of what he might do at the end of the summer and in a bigger way here. so he's considering his options and the indications are that he wants to go big, he wants to go bold. clearly nothing is going to happen in congress. so a couple of categories of people that have been discussed. one would be the folks who would have been eligible for legal status for citizenship under the senate bill. that may be too many. a subset of that might be parents of those roughly half a million children who have already been impacted by the daca action he took previously. so i think that's where we're moving towards. >> ari, what would have happened if he had just given a simple yes to that question tonight? >> well, they would have asked a followup question, lawrence. >> that was the followup question. obviously there was a political calculation. the president probably has a view that the answer to that
question is yes or no. and he certainly has enough legal research on it to have a view on it. he didn't give us that view for some political reason. >> it may be a political-legal reason. if you go back to harry truman, one of the things in decision that is still good law today is that the president's authority is lower when congress acts to explicitly ban something rather than areas the congress hasn't touched. that's why while last week was a total farce on the house floor, if they did that, and created a political backlash in the senate, he would potentially be on shakier legal ground in lawsuits if he invited them in. so i could say, i don't know, but i could say that one reason would be to avoid charging that environment before he actually acted unilaterally.
>> just to go back, you said what he would probably be doing is moving these people into the deferred action category. so that would allow him -- allow the administration to grant temporary work visas. >> that's right. it's only temporary. >> now i get it. okay. so we are still hearing this talk from republicans about executive action and rand paul if iowa saying he's trying to act like a king. it seems to me the white house is trying to figure out what its political answer to that is. >> yeah. so far clearly they haven't been very dissuaded from taking executive action based on the republican arguments just last week. the president signed an executive order with regards to how we're going to treat federal contractors and making sure
we're protecting the folks working for the federal contractors. so the republicans' vague threats of a lawsuit or maybe a censure or maybe impeachment haven't dissuaded the president thus far in being bold in what he's doing. i don't think there's any sign so far that he feels particularly pressured by what they're doing. if anything, i think he feels emboldened to go out and take a big stand and put it in their face and say you had an opportunity to act. you didn't take it. so i'm going to do what's necessary for the country to keep us moving forward. >> the president gave us a few more tea leaves on this. let's listen to the other thing he said about the limits on executive action. >> i'm bound by the constitution, i'm bound by separation of powers. there's some things we can't do. what i can do is, you know, scour our authorities to try to make progress. and we're going to make sure
that every time we take one of these steps that we are working within the confines of my executive power. >> what did you hear in that one? >> yeah, i think this is a cautious administration. i think crystal is right, one possibility is they could go -- i think what he's saying is they're going to be very cautious and cross their ts and dot their is and make sure that they are doing something that the president and the office of legal counsel feels is within their legal authority to prevent any lawsuits or, in fact, bringing on any impeachment. >> so what's your guesstimate about how many work permits we would be talking about under this kind of executive action? >> it's hard to say, lawrence. we've heard anything from 4 million to 6 million, it could be a lot less. we really are urging the
administration to go as broad as possible to basically define an orderly program with which those individuals can long standing ties in the u.s. can come forward and apply. it's the best thing, not just for the families, but the best thing for our country and the economy, until we can get a congress in office that will do their job. >> can i just pick up on that point? i think this is a piece that's lost that she is pointing out here. when you're not deporting children and dreamers and law abiders, you're able to focus on the folks who are actually a risk. so it makes the country more secure to have these logical priorities in place. >> ari, it's a political number. when they're studying this and thinking how many of these visas do we issue, work visas do we issue, at a certain point there's a political view of that number and they're going to say that's too high or that's too low.
>> i think that's right. as you get into the higher millions, you're going to have arguments, fair or not, saying that's x million jobs now in danger for americans. there's a very good policy answer to that. which is these people are here and the republicans have done nothing serious about dealing with this outside a couple of senators in the republican party. most of the republican caucus doesn't want to work on it. so they're daring the president to do more. that's where the politics come in. i think that this white house wants to do this in the fall means they think they have the power, they think they have a number that's going to work politically and policy wise and they want this fight in november. >> krystal ball, ari and mary elena, thank you all for teaching me a little something about immigration law tonight. i needed that lesson. coming up, barney frank will be here to discuss a sudden outbreak of honesty on wall street.
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at extreme levels, income inequality can harm sustained growth over long periods. the united states is approaching that threshold. those words are not mine, those words appear in a powerful new report on income inequality by the wall street rating firm standard and poor's. s&p's warning to us all is that extreme income inequality hurts everyone eventually, including even the super rich. in a report entitled how income inequality is damping u.s. economic growth and possible ways to change the tide, s&p's global credit portal says, standard and poor's sees extreme income inequality as a drag on long run economic growth. we have reduced our ten-year force. here's a chart who benefits most from economic growth. since the '80s, the top 10% of income earners enjoy most of the
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you've just summarized the main thing. a very large part of the american economy is consumption. as you get income inequality, as the income of many, many americans is depressed, if it doesn't keep up with inflation, as almost all of the increase in growth goes to the rich people, the economy doesn't perform as well because the very rich, as much as they would like to spend it all, can't do it. there are only so many stories you can put on your mansion. there are only so many cars you can buy. the problem is, consumption is depressed. we shouldn't be surprised. we saw an example of this. a couple of years ago, we dealt with a tax issue and we raised taxes at the end of 2012. we forced the republicans to break that mantra of theirs at two levels. first of all, we did raise taxes on incomes above $400,000.
secondly, the tax break for the payroll tax, which is paid by everybody up to $90,000, expired. it was very clear within six months, the economic drag on the economy from raising taxes on incomes above $400,000 was negligible. there was none. the people making $400,000, they had to pay 4% more of their income for taxes. they don't even know how much taxes they're paying until their accountant tells them. but people making $40,000, $50,000, a 2% increase in their tax had a devastating effect on their income. so as you look at who spends money in the economy, the very, very rich take in the money and sit on it. and the money does not go to the people who will spend it if ways that then help other people. >> and the government has had an effect on this curve in income inequality, according to the s&p report.
they say the bottom 20% of households received only 36% of transfer payments in 2010 after receiving 54% in 1979. that refers, of course, to government payments to individuals and the change there being so much of this is now moving through social security and medicare. so much of that money, which is not means tested. so it isn't targeted -- >> there's one other small piece. those are the wealthy farmers. farm subsidies are not only means tested entitled, they're anti-means tested. it's more of a moral than economic one. but there have been cutbacks. i was a great fan of bill clinton, but i thought his welfare bill, which made it harder for the poor to get assistance, was a terrible
mistake and we see this further with cuts in food stamps. one of the things that strikes me, when i hear some of the conservatives say we shouldn't be letting these children in from guatemala and honduras because we have to take care of children here in america, i'm struck by the fact that's the only time they care about children in america. they won't let the states expand medicaid for these children. so they use poor children in america to beat the kids from guatemala with a stick. in '93, i was against nafta. i think bill clinton, to his credit, changed. american trade policy for years has helped the overall national wealth, but it's been redistributed in a bad way within america. those people who are in the high skill end of the american economy profit from world trade. people at the lower end, people in low level, low-skilled manufacturing get hurt.
so for years, american trade policy exacerbated that. it exacerbated the high end returns for people who could tell their goods in world trade and hurt the people in the garment and textile industries. they get hurt by trade. now we have to make things better. >> this s&p report says some of the good old fashioned tools of government, like progressive income taxation can be helpful here. when you look at that chart of what happened to the wealth of the top 10% during the 1990s under those bill clinton democratic party tax increases that occurred in 1983, those tax increases that the republicans told us were going to cripple the rich just helped the economy and helped them move into a richer position. >> i don't know which gets the bigger prize for absolute stupidity as a prediction, the notion that raising taxes on the very wealthy was going to hurt
the american economy when the american economy was wonderful. or the prediction that same-sex marriage was going to destroy the culturure. but can i do one thing here? i would like to pronounce correctly the wonderful man from samoa, my former colleague. >> thank you very much. you're the only one that could have done that. and these are the members who serve without real voting rights. they're representing these territories of ours, but they're this and do a lot of work for their territories. >> they do. they vote in committee and they are advocates for their people. if you work with them, they are advocates for people as much as anybody else. >> and barney, a quick thing i want to get to, which is this issue of inversions, which the president talked about, which is the american companies deciding you know what? we've got to relocate our technical head quarters to
another country to skip taxes. >> for barack obama, this is a make my day moment. he said he can use executive orders to stop companies, particularly drug companies who get the highest drug prices in the world in america. because these american drug companies say you have to help us do the research. so when president obama says he's going to do everything he can without congress, if he has to, to stop them from benefiting from america and taking their tax money and paying it elsewhere, if the republicans want to challenge that, that's a make my day moment. in fact, i will be urging my former democratic colleagues, they ought to say, we have a contract with america in 1995. we have a lot of people now trying to break a contract to help contribute to the society as tay benefit from it. it ought -- every member of congress ought to announce how they're going to vote on inversion, and let's make that
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in the spotlight tonight, putin retaliates. russian president vladamir putin is trying to strike back at countries that imposed sanctions on russia over its actions in ukraine. putin ordered his government to impose a one-year ban on any imports of food and agricultural products from any sanctioning country. the full list of newly banned food also be released on thursday and is reported to include fruits, vegetables and meat. but not include wine. president obama was asked about this today. >> russia said today that it is going to ban food and agricultural imports, that was about $1.3 billion last year.
at the same time, defense secretary chuck hagel said the amassing of russian troops along the ukraine border increases the likelihood of invasion. are sanctions not working? >> we don't know yet. sanctions are working in putting stress and strain on the russian economy. it has presented the choice to president putin as to whether he is going to try to resolve the issues in eastern ukraine through diplomacy and peaceful means. or alternatively continue on the course he's on, in which case he's going to be hurting his economy and own people over the long-term. and in that sense, we are doing exactly what we should be doing, and we're very pleased that our european allies joined us.
>> joining me now is steve clemens, an msnbc contributor, and the washington editor at large for "the atlantic." steve, now it's sanctions versus sanctions. >> vladamir putin is out there paying a high price for what he's doing in ukraine and making his people pay for it. i was watching a robert dinaro clip where he was saying, you talking to me, you talking to me? that's kind of what putin is doing, he's escalating this in a bizarre way, very, very petulant. and the sadness is that putin's popularity in russia is skyrocketing. and in the united states, barack obama's marks aren't that great. so putin is playing to a crowd out there, but he's really harming the public's interest. >> does the russian public understand what this means for them? >> i don't know. i think there's a generational issue going on inside russia.
i think there's also, as there are many places in the world, rural urban divides. russia feels as if it has gone through a couple of decades of humiliation and disregard by the west. i don't want to compare them to groups in the united states, but the rise of nationalism is something we're seeing in many parts of the world, but it's very empowered in russia. i think there are people inside moscow, inside st. petersburg who see the real cost and consequences to their children, their future, their opportunities in the world from what they're doing. but i think there's a real culture clash inside that country. >> there's -- chris jansing asked the president another question about this. let's take a look at that. >> the troops that are massing on the border are more highly trained and have more sophisticated weaponry. does that make you reconsider, as a few democrats have suggested, providing lethal aid to ukraine?
>> the russian army is a lot bigger than the ukrainian army. at this point, they've been fighting a group of separatists who have engaged in some terrible violence but who can't match the ukrainian army. if you start seeing an invasion by russia, that's obviously a different set of questions. we're not there yet. >> steve, that makes the sanctions contest seem minor compared to what could be a military conflict. >> it certainly gets your hair to stand on edge when you hear the president speculate about an invasion by russia. chuck hagel talked about we're prepared for that. but what does prepared for that mean? what kinds of steps do you take when the president has been so clear to say we're not going to take explicit military action in this case? we've been arguing that the president has been trying to confine this and give president putin an opportunity to
compartmentalize this from a lot of other strategic questions around the world that we have with russia. what putin seems to be doing is testing our resolve and at the same time, he has ukraine in a vice. he can leave those troops there for a very long time or he can have a kind of gray invasion, which is really already happened. we're pretending it hasn't happened yet, but there's quite a lot of russian activity inside eastern ukraine already. and we're seeing similar behaviors in moldova and other countries. so the bigger question is, while we and the west and europe are looking just at ukraine, what are we doing elsewhere around the world with russia's interests to make sure that it has -- feels some pressure from us? that's what's unclear right now. >> steve, before we go, what is this impact on the american agriculture? >> well, i was reading the "denver post" of all things. you have states around the country very quickly looking at what is the impact only their economy.
the "denver post" said we're going to lose $53 million in beef sales. i'm sure you have this going on in states around the country. so as chris jansing said, the overall amount is about $1.3 billion. but if a time where the economy is just trying to move forward, ag exports are a huge part of the american expert business. but that's a tit for tat thing. you begin worrying about all the bridges we have in russia, economic and people to people and those are now all threatened. >> thanks for joining us tonight. coming up, michelle obama and laura bush talk about men. and kiki palmer is going to join us later, so tweet me your questions for kiki. i grew up with three brothers,
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>> the first ladies michelle obama and laura bush were at an event today for the spouses of african leaders who are in town this week. last week, michelle obama had much more to say about this subject when speaking to the young african leaders. >> generation after generation, we've been moving in the right direction, because of brave individuals who were willing to risk their jobs, their reputations, and even their lives to achieve equality. and it wasn't just brave women who made these sacrifices. it was also brave men, too. men who hired women. men who past laws to empower women. men who prosecuted other men who abused women. so to all the men, my brothers here today, i have a simple message, a simple message -- we need you to shake things up. [ applause ]
too often women are fighting these battles alone. but men like you, progressive men who are already ahead of the curve on women's issues, you all are critically important to solving this problem. and that starts by doing a little introspection. and i say this not just to the 250 of you who are in the room today, but to men around the world. men in every country need to look into their hearts and souls and ask themselves whether they truly view and treat women as their equals. [ applause ] and then when you all encounter men in your lives who answer no to that question, you need to take them to task. you need to tell them that any man who uses his strength to oppress women is a coward. and he's holding back the progress of his family and his country.
tell them that a truly strong, powerful man isn't threatened by a strong, powerful woman. [ applause ] instead, he's challenged by her, he's inspired by her, he's pleased to relate to her as an equal. and i want you to keep modelling that behavior yourself by promoting women in your companies, passing laws to empower women in your countries. and holding the same ambitious dreams for your daughters as you do for your sons. and to the women here, my sisters, -- >> we love you. >> and i love you. [ applause ] i do. i do. which is why i want us as women to understand that oppression is not a one-way street. see, too often, without even realizing it, we as women internalize the oppression we
face in our societies by believing harmful messages about how we should look and act. particularly as women of color, messages that tell us that we're ugly or irrelevant. that we don't deserve full control over our bodies. that we should just keep our mouths shut and just do as we're told. and then too often we turn around and impose those same beliefs on other women and girls in our lives, including our own daughters. all of us, men and women on every continent, we all need to identify these problems in ourselves and in our communities. and then commit to solving them. and i say this to you, not just as lawyers and activists and business leaders, but as current and future parents, because as a mother myself, i can tell you that this is where change truly happens.
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what would you like to be when you grow up, a doctor, lawyer, a standup comic? >> i know. >> go over there and read the quotation that's on the wall. read it aloud, please. >> our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. we ask ourself, who am i to make brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?
actually, who are you not to be? >> that was kiki palmer starring opposite laurence fishburne when she was 12 years old. at 20 years old, kiki palmer became the youngest person in american television history to host a network talk show on b.e.t. and now she's ready to make a bit of broadway history, september 9 when she replaces carly ray jepson and becomes the first black actress to play cinderella on broadway. joining me now, kiki palmer. kiki, thank you very much for doing this. >> oh, my goodness, thank you. >> pretty exciting for you. you know, we put the word out on twitter for all of your fans to get the questions in and i think i'm going to hand it right over to them. we have marcus silver asks a great question. he says what advice can you offer to other actors who are looking to revolutionize
traditional casting? >> to just be yourself and continue to shine your light. you can't let anything stop you and let people tell you who you are. you've got to go for your dreams. >> here's a question that interests me a lot. i've worked onsets with child actors and i always worry about them. here's the question. given pitfalls that follow shield fame, to what do you attribute your success? how do you explain not going crazy like so many child stars? >> i can't say that i haven't gone crazy in my own ways, you know what i mean? we all have our times because we're all growing. it's a part of life. but i think i can attribute a lot of my success and everything to my parents and to my faith. i have a really good support system. my parents told me to have my own relationship with god. that's what allowed me to just stand by what i believe.
>> okay. here's a question from one of the twitter followers about what is one of my favorite shows. pam says, how difficult was the role of often humiliated nanny in "masters of sex," specifically the head lice scene? that's a little spoiler alert, because i'm behind in watching my "masters of sex" episodes. so i have not seen this scene. but go ahead. >> how difficult was it they asked? >> yes. >> you know, i can't say that it was necessarily difficult, but it was very -- i think it was very telling. one of the main reasons i love being part of "masters of sex" is it talks about everything and every point of view there could be. for me, it was more so in experience of displaying some of history. >> yeah, you're working with masters of acting in that show, and great actors.
kiki palmer, can't wait to have you here in new york on broadway. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you so much. god bless. >> thank you. ezra klein is in for chris hayes this week, and that's next. >> test of strength, let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. president obama just finished a news conference after completing his summit with african leaders here in washington. the president touch had on many issues today from the war in gaza to republican charges that he's an imperial president to his relationship with the congress. perhaps the most noteworthy moment came this evening in the exchange over immigration. mr. obama's frustration with congress's inaction. nbc news out who correspondent kristin walker. and let's start with jonathan karl of abc news.